To go on pilgrimage means to be open to surprises! In this episode, I chat with Rachel Gilman, the  director of Youth Ministry for the Archdiocese of Indianapolis. Rachel and I talk about her experiences both in Italy and on World Youth Day. We revisit Rachel's profound encounters with the churches, saints, and relics of Rome, plus the epiphanic moment she had in a quiet, empty church in Lisbon.  Join us as we discuss the significance of being open to the small gifts from God and the lessons we learn when we listen to those little nudges from the Lord.