Episodes
In this episode hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk to Estonia's former ambassador at large for cyber diplomacy Heli Tirmaa-Klaar. They discuss the IT coalition’s work on the ‘future of warfare’ in Ukraine, NATO and EU collaboration, and the state of the UN’s work on cyber.
Published 08/27/24
Published 08/27/24
In this episode, hosts James Lewis and Chris Painter speak to guest Adam Segal, Senior Advisor for International Cyber and Digital Strategy Policy in The State Department’s Bureau of Cyberspace and Digital Policy. They discuss the global reactions to the International Cyberspace and Digital Policy Strategy, (even China’s and Russia’s) and what ‘digital solidarity’ really means.
Published 07/26/24
In this episode, hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter engage in a dynamic conversation with return guest Ambassador (ret.) Deborah McCarthy. She shares insights, as the lead negotiator for the United States, on the status and prospects for the proposed United Nations Cybercrime Treaty.
Published 05/01/24
In the first episode of the year, hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk to professor, philosopher and founder of the Citizen Lab, Ronald Deibert. Together they discuss how cyber fits into civil society, spyware, and the privatization of clandestine operations.
Published 04/18/24
In the last episode of the season, hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter recap the cyber diplomacy developments of 2023. They cover:   The UN   The OEWG   The POA   Cyber Crime Convention   The Counter Ransomware Initiative   The need for accountability   Capacity building   The reality of cyber negotiations  
Published 01/03/24
In this episode Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with Leonard Rolland, Head of International Cybersecurity Policy at the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs. They discuss the current state of play in cyber diplomacy and the importance of global partnerships for advancing responsible state behavior in cyberspace.  
Published 12/07/23
In this episode, hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with the U.S. Ambassador at Large for Cyberspace and Digital Policy Nathaniel C. Fick. They discuss the inseparable relationship between tech and foreign policy, what issues the bureau is focusing on right now and reflect on Ambassador Fick’s first year in this inaugural role. 
Published 10/23/23
In this episode, Jim and Chris speak with Mark Montgomery, senior director of the Center on Cyber and Technology Innovation at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. They discuss his latest report “Building Partner Capabilities for Cyber Operations," what cyber resilience really means and the role of U.S. federal agencies in all of this.  
Published 09/28/23
In this episode, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with Ambassador (ret.) Deborah McCarthy, the lead negotiator for the United States on the proposed United Nations cybercrime convention, which seems to be going so well the Russians probably regret proposing it. The discussion covers the state of negotiations, the effect of the e-Evidence and CLOUD Act, multi-stakeholder participation, and more.  
Published 08/07/23
In this episode, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with Szilvia Tóth, Cyber Security Officer at the Secretariat of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE). They discuss the implementation of cyber confidence-building measures, points of contact directories, inter-regional cooperation, what’s next for the OSCE, and more. OSCE Cyber/ICT Security Confidence-Building Measures
Published 03/07/23
In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter speak with Kerry-Ann Barrett, Cybersecurity Program Manager for the Organization of American States (OAS), Secretariat of the Inter-American Committee against Terrorism, and Secretariat for Multidimensional Security. They discuss national cybersecurity strategies, the importance of intelligent capacity building, norms and accountability, what’s next for the OAS, and more.   
Published 02/13/23
In this episode, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter review the evolution of cyber in 2022. In 30 minutes, they cover the year’s cyber developments as well as upcoming cyber initiatives and priorities, touching on topics including: Cyber in Ukraine Negotiations in the United Nations The UN GGE and OEWG The State Department’s launch of the Bureau of Cyberspace and Digital Policy Regional organizations Capacity building Enforcing norms Transparency about cyber initiatives Cyber initiatives in...
Published 01/19/23
In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Israel’s Cyber Coordinator Amir Sagie. They discuss the recent OEWG meeting, national cyber strategies, multilateralism and capacity building, accountability mechanisms, and more.
Published 11/09/22
In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with William Middleton, Cyber Director of the United Kingdom’s Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office. They discuss the direction of UK cyber policy, international cooperation, next steps in the United Nations, and the links between cyber and development.
Published 08/15/22
In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter interview Isaac Morales Tenorio, Mexico’s Coordinator for Multidimensional Security. They discuss cyber from a Mexican perspective, regional and multilateral processes, capacity-building programs, implementing the United Nations norms and framework, and more.
Published 06/23/22
In the first episode of season two, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Congressman Jim Langevin on his cybersecurity work in congress and what he envisions for the future of cyber diplomacy. They discuss domestic cybersecurity efforts, such as creating a Joint Collaborative Environment (JCE) within CISA's JCDC, institutionalizing cyber diplomacy in the State Department, Russia, international norms in cyberspace, and more.
Published 06/03/22
In the last episode of this season of Inside Cyber Diplomacy, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter review the cyber developments of 2021. In 40 minutes, they cover the evolution and maturation of cyber in the US and internationally, including:  Cybersecurity becoming a political priority The UN GGE and OEWG Three UN initiatives to look out for: The new OEWG The program of action for regular institutional dialogue The new cybercrime convention negotiations Cyber in the UN Security...
Published 12/17/21
In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Under-Secretary-General and High Representative for Disarmament Affairs, Izumi Nakamitsu. They discuss the UN First Committee efforts on cybersecurity and the broader disarmament agenda, how these negotiations fit with other initiatives in the UN, and the future implications of successful GGE and OEWG meetings.
Published 10/15/21
In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ambassador Takeshi Akahori, former Ambassador for Cyber Policy of Japan and current Ambassador for Climate Change Negotiations. They discuss cyber rule making, the applicability of international law in cyberspace, and Japan's role in the UN negotiations.
Published 09/10/21
In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ciaran Martin, Professor of Practice in the Management of Public Organisations at Oxford University, and former Chief Executive of the U.K. National Cyber Security Centre. They discuss the difficulties in tackling ransomware, ways to counter Russian aggression, UK / EU relations after Brexit, and the importance of technology innovation and cooperation with allies.
Published 08/20/21
In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Germany's Cyber Ambassador Regine Grienberger. They discuss the work being done on cyber from a German and European perspective, the importance of capacity-building, and the hopes and expectations for the work ahead.
Published 07/06/21
In this special edition of Inside Cyber Diplomacy, Jim Lewis and Chris Painter break down the discussions on cyber that took place last week during the G7, NATO, U.S.-EU, and U.S.-Russia summits. 
Published 06/23/21
In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Ambassador Guilherme Patriota, Brazil's Consul General in Mumbai and Chair of the UN GGE on Advancing responsible State behavior in cyberspace in the context of international security. They discuss the influence his past negotiating experience had in how he chaired the group, how they had to adjust to negotiating during Covid to achieve a consensus report, and whether his future plans will involve ICTs.
Published 06/21/21
In this episode, co-hosts Jim Lewis and Chris Painter talk with Michele Markoff, Heli Tiirma-Klaar, and Johanna Weaver about the recently concluded UN GGE. They discuss how the group managed to get consensus on this new report, the progress made on international law and norms as they apply to cyberspace, and how the process compared to the parallel OEWG. 
Published 06/11/21