On this episode we hear from Heide. From a young age she always had the feeling of wanting to be a host and that is what then drew her into hospitality. I loved how she said that when she first went looking for some work experience, she applied to the five Michelin starred restaurants in Germany, and only them, because she wanted the best experience. She went onto to focus on marketing during her education and that is where she started her career after graduating. She worked for LVMH, then after a PR education in Germany, worked at a PR agency before coming back to hospitality with Kempinski. You will hear throughout the conversation is that career changes came to her when she started asking herself the questions, whether this was the right role for her and what kind of lifestyle she wanted for herself. After four years at Soho House in Berlin she took on her next transformation and started her own business, an Italian deli. We also discussed the importance of taking a break, even if it means you do not have another job to go. It is super scary, as I have experienced myself, but we both agreed that without it it would never give us the mental space that we needed. She has recently sold her deli and taking that break to reflect on what comes next.