What truly makes a leader stand out—especially in challenging environments like retail and manufacturing? In this special mashup episode, host Denis Gianoutsos revisits conversations with Tony Curl and Phil Holden, two leaders who have navigated large teams and complex challenges. Tony shares how leadership development and stepping out of comfort zones transformed his approach, while Phil reflects on building trust and leading by example. Listeners can expect to uncover key insights on leadership resilience, soft skills, and the power of trust in achieving long-term success.  If you’re ready to rethink how you lead, this episode is a must-listen. EP195: Tony Curl: Leading in Retail and Beyond Retail Roots: Tony’s leadership journey managing teams at Kmart, Bunnings, and ColesLeadership Development: How Bunnings’ focus on leadership shaped his approachOut of the Comfort Zone: The importance of pushing teams to grow and challenge the status quo EP129: Phil Holden: Trust, Teamwork, and Leadership Growth Early Leadership: Phil’s hands-on leadership style started in a textile factoryLeading Older Teams: Earning respect by leading through example, not authoritySoft Skills Matter: Communication, empathy, and teamwork are core leadership tools Key Quotes:  "The more you invest in leadership development, the more you can challenge the status quo and get people out of their comfort zones." – Tony Curl "Leading by doing has always been my style; it's how I earned the trust of my team and achieved results." – Phil Holden The 10 Proven Ways to Lead and Thrive in Today's World  Executive Guide Featuring 10 Key Themes and 42 Strategic Insights from Worldwide Leaders   https://crm.leadingchangepartners.com/10-ways-to-lead  Email: [email protected] Website: www.LeadingChangePartners.com  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/denisgianoutsos  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/denisgianoutsos/  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/leadershipischanging/  YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@DenisGianoutsos