I thoroughly enjoy talking to incredibly smart people who make you realise you know nothing compared to them. Dr Kayla Kingdon-Bebb is the CEO of WWF New Zealand and is a passionate advocate for conservation and has a very interesting background in indigenous studies and treaty law. If you’re interested in conservation and how the organisations involved try to help the world, then this is a chat for you. And if you’re interested in finding out how much help even the big groups need, this will be an eye opener!  In this episode we talk about:  -       Why marine protection actually is a common ground for a lot of different people -       Her prediction on whether 30% can be protected by 2030 -       What are the specific tangible benefits to Aotearoa if we protect 40% of the oceans -       Other things WWF works on besides oceans -       What WWF needs -       What she wants to see happen in the next 5 years -       Her advice to people on how to engage with the natural world more  Key Quotes  “Something like 286 of the 700 seabird species that exist globally, breed here.”  “Real lasting progress happens when you take small steps together in the middle.”  “I think it's possible there's more common ground around marine protection than people realise.”  “If you're trying to prevent coastal inundation… you can use other things beside a sea wall for that.” More about: You can support WWF New Zealand here: https://wwf.org.nz/ You can also follow Kayla on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/kaylakingdon/ You can get involved with the podcast online: Find our full podcast plus our sister podcast via the website here: https://www.nowthatswhaticall.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nowthatswhaticallgreen You can follow me on socials on the below accounts. Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/briannemwest/ Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@briannemwest Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/briannemwest/ For our latest big project, find out more about Incrediballs here: https://incrediballs.com/