Ryan Wallner and Brad Maltz of Dell joined us to share their work furthering best practices in DevOps and Platform Engineering and advocating for open source development within Dell. We discuss the importance of adapting to technical and cultural changes within organizations, the evolving notion of what it means to be "full-stack," and the rise of Kubernetes and the evolving cloud-native landscape. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Backgrounds00:32 The Role of DevRel in Open Source01:40 Balancing Community and Product Management02:00 The Importance of Advocacy and Education08:35 The Developer Experience and the Role of Platform Engineering11:31 The Challenges and Skills Needed in Platform Engineering20:18 The Ubiquity of Kubernetes and the Complexity of the Cloud Native Landscape23:33 Closing Thoughts and Reflections   Guests: Ryan Wallner is a Lead Developer Advocate at Dell Technologies and host of the Kubernetes Bytes podcast. Ryan is a cloud native and Kubernetes enthusiast, husband, and dad of fearless daughter. Ryan enjoys adventure moto riding, hiking, mountain biking. Brad Maltz is the Sr. Director of DevOps and Developer Relations Ecosystems at Dell Technologies, focusing on delivering DevOps technologies and a developer-oriented user experience with the Dell portfolio. He leads a team that is connecting Dell to the community to enable our customers on their journey to becoming mature DevOps organizations. Brad has been in the industry for over 20 years driving innovation and solutions across the strategic technology landscape. With experience across multiple verticals such as healthcare, finance, biotech, education, government and manufacturing, Brad has been able to help customers with a multitude of problems up and down the technology stack.