Naomi Klein joins PTO to talk about her book, 'Doppelganger: A Trip Into the Mirror World'. In the first part of our conversation we talked about why at the height of the Covid-19 pandemic, parts of the anti-vaccine movement started to adopt the garb and the language of participants in struggles against racism and the historic crimes of settler colonialism. In the second part we talked about Israel and Palestine and how the notion of 'doppelganger politics' can be applied to the way Israel views the Palestinians. We also talked about how European fascism of the twentieth century is typically portrayed as being the diametric opposite of liberal democracy, in spite of the extent to which Nazism took direct inspiration from both European colonial practices and racial segregation in the United States. To rate PTO on Spotify go here. Or search for 'Politics Theory Other' in the Spotify app. If you don't ordinarily listen to the show on Spotify you may be asked to listen to some episodes first, but all you need to do in that case is to click on a couple of episodes and fast forward right to the end of each, and then you'll be able to rate the show. On the Spotify app you can give your rating by clicking on the three small dots (...) next to the gear wheel symbol on the PTO Spotify page. Thank you!