Tshidi Madia has a conversation with General Bantu Holomisa and he speaks about what needs to change in order for our democracy to work. He shares his feelings about the peace keeping mission saying that "we should not have poked our nose into the affairs of Russia and Ukraine". He further touches on the UDM adding that he is happy with what the party has achieved in its 24 years of existence. He goes on to add that UDM has a bright future and he also believes that it will be able to survive even if he is no longer the Chairperson of the party. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.