In this episode, Aaron Crow and special guest Joseph Perry dive deeply into the evolving landscape of cybersecurity. The episode explores the integration of commercial off-the-shelf systems into OT environments, highlighting how this transition brings similar security challenges from the IT sector into play. Throughout their discussion, Aaron and Joseph tackle the complex vulnerabilities, the resistance to adopting new technologies, and the critical necessity of tailored security measures. They also examine the pervasive buzzwords like "AI" in modern cybersecurity products. Listeners will gain insights into the growing regulatory scrutiny from the SEC, the heightened responsibility of Chief Security Officers, and the anticipated evolution of cybersecurity professions into more rigorous, skilled trades. The conversation further touches on the chaotic state of threat intelligence, the impact of technological advancements such as AI on cyber-attacks, and the increasing industrialization of fraud. From understanding the hype cycles of AI to the practical challenges of explaining complex security solutions to non-technical stakeholders, this episode is packed with valuable information. Aaron and Joseph also discuss the importance of learning from past IT mistakes when adopting new technologies and the unique challenges of protecting both cutting-edge and legacy systems within OT environments. As they address topics like social engineering attacks, ransomware, and the use of AI tools in cybersecurity, listeners will come away better equipped to navigate the intricate cybersecurity landscape. Tune in for a comprehensive exploration of these critical issues. Key Moments:  05:36 Library catalog conversion led to career in cybersecurity. 15:02 AI useful in cybersecurity for structured data. 18:07 Questions remain about AI, and human intervention need. 25:39 Advanced fraud detection surpasses current AI capabilities. 28:37 AI contributes significantly to medicine, finance, and cybersecurity. 34:57 Powerful means test and audience testing revolutionized fraud. 37:58 Attacks getting shorter, focused on initial access. 47:52 Focus shifts to CPE, vulnerability, and attack. 48:53 Russian threat actors reassert, causing chaos. No rules. 54:43 IT challenges in dealing with construction clients. 59:56 Evolution of cyber security concerns and measures.   About the guest :  Joseph Perry is a seasoned cybersecurity expert currently leading incident response, threat intelligence, and purple teaming at MorganFranklin Cyber. With a background spanning the US Navy and the National Security Agency, Perry has built a robust expertise in emerging technology and cybersecurity. He specializes in critical infrastructure protection, threat intelligence, and the adoption of new technologies. Perry is a prominent figure in the cybersecurity community, contributing his insights at major conferences like Black Hat and Defcon. He focuses on the practical applications of AI in cybersecurity, fraud detection, and the evolving threat landscape. Committed to advancing the field, Perry emphasizes continuous learning and domain expertise to help