Tania and Pema talk tips, tricks, and some surprising research behind how to have an effective conversation with someone who disagrees with you.  Find more on this topic in Tania’s latest book, Facing the Fracture: How to Navigate the Challenges of Living in a Divided Nation.  https://taniaisrael.com/writing-books/facing-the-fracture-book/ Tania Israel is a professor of counseling psychology and author of two books about dealing with political division. https://taniaisrael.com/ Pema Rocker is a creative coach and author who writes about connection and collective healing. https://pemarocker.com/