In 2019 Gina Martin - a self-confessed ‘political novice’ - led a successful campaign that resulted in a law change to make upskirting illegal. Since then her activism on gender equality has continued apace but changing legislation is no longer her aim. Why? We find out as we speak to her and activist Ben Hurst, head facilitator at Beyond Equality, who works with young men and boys to engage in conversations about what being a man means today.  Plus: We’re gongoozling with the Queen of Dictionary Corner, Susie Dent. Guests Gina Martin, gender equality campaigner, speaker and writer (@ginamartin) Ben Hurst, activist and educator and Head of Facilitation at Beyond Equality (@therealbenhurst) Susie Dent, lexicographer (@susie_dent)   More information Buy ‘No offence but…How to have difficult conversations for meaningful change’ by Gina Martin out now Buy Roots of Happiness: 100 words for joy and hope by Susie Dent out now Watch Ben’s Ted Talk: ‘boys won’t be boys. Boys will be what we teach them to be’ Learn about the work of Beyond Equality Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.