In this conversation, Jason and Derek discuss their reunion and the reasons behind Derek’s hiatus. They talk about their passion for the topics they discuss on their podcast, their personal journeys of growth and transformation, and the importance of love and union with God. They also touch on the impact of their podcast on the community and the need for vulnerability and authenticity in relationships. The conversation explores themes of love, recovery, church, and the transformative power of faith. In this part of the conversation, Jason and Derek discuss the concept of being born again and experiencing death as a transformative process. They also talk about the significance of repentance and the role of trust in the journey of faith. They highlight the American contribution to spirituality through the 12-step program of Alcoholics Anonymous and the need to break free from dualistic thinking. The conversation concludes with a discussion on hope, union with God, and the power of love. Please rate, review, share, and subscribe! Podcast intro and outro music by Wilde Assembly --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/rethinking-god/support