Sign up for my Build Better Relationships Course here https://www.nicobarraza.com/bbr Interested in working with me in a one on one setting where we can dive deeply into the parts of yourself and your life you want to improve? Learn more by heading over to my website https://www.nicobarraza.com/ My good friend Dené Logan joins us for a second round on Starve the Ego Feed the Soul and this time we focus around masculine and feminine energy dynamics, patriarchy, shadow parts of the masculine and feminine, and interdependence and why she believes that this is the holy grail for where we should be focusing our interpersonal work. What Dené and I discuss applies to all relationships. Specifically the relationship we have with ourselves and the relationships we engage in with others. Truly I can't think of a better episode to launch in conjunction with my Build Better Relationships Course.  Dené is a practicing therapist, podcast host, retreat facilitator, writer, mother, and all around incredible human-being who is doing the work herself. I always enjoy my conversations with Dené and I'm happy to have her back on the show. You can find her via her website https://www.deneselkin.com/  On her podcast with her friend and fellow therapist Vanessa Bennett https://anchor.fm/cheaperthantherapypod On Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/dene.logan/ and on TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@denelogan