Thabo Shole-Mashao in for Clement Manyathela is hanging out with Vuyolwethu Zungula, the leader of African Transformation Movement as they reflect on his life and navigating political leadership at a young age. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

    Thabo Shole-Mashao in for Clement Manyathela speaks to Mavuso Msimang, an ANC veteran about why the ANC chose to form a government with the parties in the government of national unity. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.