Tim sat down with the controversial Canadian psychologist. Jordan Peterson, best known for the self-help book 12 Rules for Life, has become a guru to many young men on the political right for wading into contested debates around gender and free speech. Now he wants to introduce his audience of millions to religion, with a new book that argues the Bible is the ideal foundation for modern society. Tim joins Kamal to reflect on his wide-ranging interview with the psychologist and conservative commentator, why he’s so popular and what - if anything - we can learn from him. Read: Jordan Peterson interview: ‘We are weak in the West compared to the Islamic fundamentalists’ Jordan Peterson wrestles with God – and the result is worth watching Producers: Lilian Fawcett and James Shield Senior Producer: John Cadigan Executive Producer: Louisa Wells Production Co-ordinator: Ryan Gudge Video Editor: Luke Goodsall Studio Operator: Meghan Searle Social Media Producer: Niamh Walsh Original music by Goss Studio Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.