In an era where the average church in America has an attendance of about 50 people, Karl Vaters talks about desizing the church. Karl also discusses the drug of size, the good and bad of the church growth movement, and what large and small churches get right. 🔗  Show Notes 📩 On The Rise Newsletter 🗣️ Preaching Cheat Sheet 🧠 The Art of Leadership Academy 🎥 Watch on YouTube Follow @careynieuwhof Follow @theartofleadershipnetwork   This episode is sponsored by: COMPASSION For over 70 years, Compassion International has worked tirelessly to help others know their identity in Jesus Christ through the local church. My church has partnered with Compassion for over a decade, and I want to encourage your church to get involved. Find out more compassion.com/carey   GLOO+ Getting in front of the people who need your message most can seem like a mystery. Gloo+ automates direct mail to 50 new families to your community and connects you with up to 7 people who are looking for answers your church has.  Just go to Gloo.us/connection and use the code CAREYSAVE20 for an additional 20% off your subscription.     Brought to you by The Art of Leadership Network