In this episode, we navigate the delicate balance between stress and overwhelm in the journey of assessment reform. Learn how to recognize the signals, manage the challenges, and decide when it’s time to pause and recharge. Whether you’re feeling stuck or seeking clarity, this conversation will guide you through the messiness with compassion and actionable insights.

Erik M. Francis is returning to the Embrace the Messy Podcast. If you didn’t catch our first conversation, I recommend you head over and check out episode 16.  Erik is an international author, educator, presenter, and professional development provider with over 25+ years of experience in education. He is the author of Now That's a Good Question! How to Promote Cognitive Rigor Through Classroom Questioning published by ASCD. He is also the author of Deconstructing Depth of Knowledge: A Method...

In this episode, we explore the nuanced debate over testing—when it works, when it doesn’t, and how to make it meaningful. Discover how thoughtful test design and preparation can transform assessments from high-stress events into valuable learning experiences. If you’ve ever questioned the role of tests in your classroom, this conversation will provide clarity and actionable ideas. Tune in!

In this episode, we explore the balance of student voice and choice in the classroom—where students are empowered to make decisions while teachers provide structure and guidance. We'll break down how this approach encourages autonomy without chaos, ensuring students meet learning goals while engaging meaningfully with the material. If you're ready to shift from controller to facilitator, this episode will give you the tools to start.

In this episode, we're tackling the challenge of helping educators who are deeply rooted in traditional assessment practices take their first step toward reform. We'll explore how small, manageable changes can shift their perspective, even when there's pushback. If you’re ready to learn how empathy and patience can lead to meaningful transformation in the classroom, this episode is for you! Tune in to find out more.

In this episode, Shannon chats with Ken Williams, a nationally recognized trainer, speaker, coach and consultant in leadership and school culture. A practitioner for nearly three decades, Ken led the improvement efforts at two schools by leveraging the Professional Learning Communities at Work process. Skilled in joining the why of the work to the how of the work, Ken is known for his powerful and engaging combinations of “heart, humor, and hammer.” He is an expert at helping schools build...

In this episode, we're diving into the heart of effective feedback—when to give it, how to give it, and how to ensure it actually leads to student growth. We'll explore why it's not about the amount of feedback but the impact it has, and how timely, actionable comments can make all the difference. Ready to rethink your feedback strategy? Tune in to learn more!

In this episode, we tackle the challenge of talking to caregivers about assessment reform and shifting away from traditional grades. You'll learn how to break down the benefits of standards-based grading in a way that builds trust and understanding, helping caregivers see how this approach supports their child's growth. Tune in for strategies on how to make these conversations productive and empowering for everyone involved.

In this episode, we’re uncovering the hidden power of learning habits and why they matter more than traditional work habits. We’ll explore how shifting the focus from behaviors like attendance and homework to the skills behind student success can lead to more meaningful growth. If you’re ready to rethink how you view student progress, this conversation is for you.

In this episode, Shannon talks with Dr. Peter Liljedahl, a professor of mathematics education at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, Canada. Peter has authored or coauthored numerous books, book chapters, and journal articles on topics central to the teaching and learning of mathematics, and is most known as the author of the global phenomenon Building Thinking Classrooms in Mathematics: 14 Practices for Enhancing Learning (Corwin 2020). *** Find out more about Peter Liljedahl at...

In this episode, we're taking a fresh look at how you organize your grade book, challenging the conventional approach of focusing on task types. Discover how a simple shift toward standards-based categories can create a clearer picture of student learning, without the chaos of grade soup. Tune in to learn how you can rethink your assessment practices and bring intentionality to your grading.

In this episode, we're shifting the way we think about assessment—from static events to ongoing actions that shape our teaching. We'll explore how subtle changes in approach can transform your classroom, making assessment more dynamic, flexible, and meaningful for both you and your students. Ready to embrace the messiness? Tune in and find out how!

In this episode, Shannon talks with Ken O’Connor, an internationally recognized expert on grading and reporting practices in education. With years of classroom experience followed by decades of consulting and writing, Ken has become a leading voice advocating for standards-based grading. His work emphasizes the importance of separating academic achievement from behaviours like effort or participation to provide a clearer, more accurate picture of student learning. Known for his practical...

I’m excited to introduce 'Messy Minutes: Assessment Edition,' dropping every Friday. These micro episodes will be short, to the point, and all me—no guests. We’re talking 5-10 minutes nuggets where I’ll share my favorite assessment strategies, break down some of that tricky assessment stuff, answer a burning question a listener emails me, or maybe just give an exceptionally long shoutout to other podcasts that have helped me on my journey. It’s all about embracing the messy side of...

In this episode, Shannon talks with George Couros, speaker and author of The Innovator’s Mindset, Because of a Teacher and What Makes a Great Principal.

In this new episode, season two premiere and perfect school year start-up prep, Shannon talks with Hannah Beach, an award-winning educator, author, emotional health consultant, and keynote speaker.

In this very special episode, Shannon reflects on her first year of podcasting. Included in this episode is a snippet from all 19 conversations she had from season 1. Season 2 drops September 2nd.    Trevor Mackenzie Embraces the Messy - 7:19 Natalie Vardabasso Embraces the Messy - 8:27 Phil String Embraces the Messy - 9:49 Dr. Heather Lyon Embraces the Messy - 12:10 Lisa Baylis Embraces the Messy - 13:59 Dr. Shelley Moore Embraces the Messy - 14:48 Katie White Embraces the Messy -...

In this episode, Shannon has an amazing conversation with Dr. Jody Carrington, a registered psychologist in Alberta, Canada. They talk about educators these days, kids, and connection... what Jody does best (with a special cameo from Victoria Schinkel, Shannon’s daughter.) Before the conversation, Shannon talks about cell phones and what she thinks about the upcoming cell phone ban in B.C. schools and she has a lot to say about it.

Founder Of Strobel Education, Motivational Speaker, Education Consultant, And Happiness Coach, Kim Strobel is the author of TEACH HAPPY: Small Steps to Big Joy. As it says on her website, strobeleducation.com, “I’m also a real-talk, no-fluff, truth-teller…. but I haven’t always been that way.”  In this conversation, Kim talks about her journey and what she hopes for educators. This is a real-talk, no-fluff, truth-telling episode and it will tug at your heart strings a bit, but it will also...

In this episode, Shannon and Patrice Bain talk about how simple power tools can unleash the science of learning in your classroom...tomorrow!  These power tools were created with how students learn in mind and they really help to make learning stick over the long term.   Patrice is a veteran K–12 teacher, Patrice recently completed more than 25 years teaching social studies at a middle school in Illinois. She is the co-author of POWERFUL TEACHING with Pooja Agarwal.  Prior to the...

In this episode, Shannon and Tyler Rablin discuss his amazing new book, HACKING STUDENT MOTIVATION.  Tyler is an instructional coach, former high school English Language Arts teacher, assessment and educational technology consultant, and author. In each realm of my work, my goal is to help educators and students see their competence, embrace their confidence, and experience their awesomeness.   Prior to the conversation with Tyler, Shannon contemplates strategies to use when educators are...

In this episode, Shannon interviews Erik Francis. Erik runs MAVERIK EDUCATION and he is an international author and presenter with over 25 years of experience working in education as a classroom teacher, a site administrator, an education program specialist with a state education agency, and a staff development trainer who produces and provides professional development, guidance and support for teachers and school leaders. Erik is the author of  Inquiring Minds Want to Learn: Posing Good...

In this episode, Shannon interviews Bryon Carpenter, a teacher in Abbotsford BC Canada. He teaches media design, math, and chemistry. In the conversation, Bryon and Shannon talk about his podcast, Fresh Air At Five, which is about his reflections as he listens to podcasts on his morning walks and then reflects on those podcasts that he listens to. It’s a way that he can connect with the podcast host and share his reflections with you and the world.    Before the conversation with Bryon...

***NOTE: This episode contains a discussion about pregnancy loss and there is also a brief mention of suicide.*** In this episode, Shannon and Annick Rauch discuss Annick's beautiful book, PheMOMenal Teacher: Pursue Your Dreams and still Be Your Best Self at Work and at Home.  Before the conversation, Shannon reveals that she's struggling to to balance her desire to prepare teachers for much needed assessment reform and piling more on their plates. *** Annick Rauch is a passionate grade 1...