Content Warning: This episode includes discussion of PTSD and John's self-harm behavior. It's been a bit of a wait, but Catherine and Chrisha are back with a MASSIVE almost 2 hour episode about The Winchester's E4, "Masters of War." They focus in on the trauma journeys faced by the two different pairs in the episode: John and Carlos, and Lata and Mary, and the different ways each of them face when triggered: healing and community vs. anger and isolation. The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW Supernatural audio clip credits: The WB; The CW Music clip credits: “Everybody’s Talkin’” by Harry Nilsson; “Masters of War” by Bob Dylan "Everybody's Talkin'" lyrics, as promised. :) Everybody's talkin' at me I don't hear a word they're sayin' Only the echoes of my mind People stoppin', starin' I can't see their faces Only the shadows of their eyes I'm goin' where the sun keeps shinin' Through the pourin' rain Goin' where the weather suits my clothes Bankin' off of the Northeast winds Sailin' on summer breeze And skippin' over the ocean like a stone Wah, wah Wah I'm going where the sun keeps shinin' Through the pourin' rain Goin' where the weather suits my clothes Bankin' off of the Northeast winds Sailin' on summer breeze And skippin' over the ocean like a stone Everybody's talkin' at me Can't hear a word they're sayin' Only the echoes of my mind I won't let you leave my love behind No, I won't let you leave-wah I won't let you leave my love behind Follow us on Twitter or Hive @TheFangirlBiz Join our new Kofi Discord community at $1/month, and check out the other perks we have at higher tiers: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiers Support our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shop Thanks for listening!