This episode begins with a discussion of fate vs luck in "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" and the wider Supernatural franchise. Catherine and Chrisha then move on to monsters and gods, the differences between The Winchesters' vampires and the vampires from Supernatural (and what those differences might mean), and how the episode's music spoke into its themes. The bulk of the conversation focuses on the scene in the Red Room, its contrasts and parallels with "Despair" and "Carry On" (as usual, no audio clips are used for the latter), and the kiss between Carlos and Anton! The Winchesters audio clip credits: The CW Supenatural  audio clip credits: The WB; The CW Music clips: "Bad Moon Rising" by Clearance Creedwater Revival; "Americana" theme by Jay Gruska; "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" by Vince Guaraldi & Carel Werber (clips from 1966 Shelby Flint and and 1967 Johnny Rivers versions); "Cadillac" by Lassie; "Rats" by The Kinks Follow us on Twitter @TheFangirlBiz and on Bluesky @thefangirlbiz.bsky.social Join our Kofi Discord community at $1/month: https://ko-fi.com/thefangirlbiz/tiers Support our podcast by buying our new merch: https://www.redbubble.com/people/thefangirlbiz/shop Thanks for listening!