Shawn Hatosy has been killing it as Andrew "Pope" Cody on TNT's Animal Kingdom for four seasons now, and with the recent renewal announcement for season 5, we're happy that there's more criminal mayhem to come from the Cody family. Hatosy had his directorial debut for an episode last season, and this week's episode entitled "Julia" was also directed by the longtime TV and movie actor of Outside Providence and Southland. He came on The Fourth Wall to talk about his experience as a director and the character development for Pope, and he also acknowledges a coincidental personal connection to our podcast host and editor, Michael Ahr. For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy