Summary The conversation explores the pros and cons of higher education in the music and arts world, the importance of community and structure, and the challenges faced by independent artists. It also discusses the process of creating music videos and the trend of TikTok influencers becoming artists. The conversation highlights the need for artists to have longevity, creative integrity, and a vision, rather than just seeking quick fame and success. Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/the-jasmine-ortiz-show/donations