The Loop is a Journalism Value project podcast, brought to you by Reference. We are interviewing the members of this network about key challenges for them, ranging from funding and business models, to community engagement and organizational structures, as we explore what success and sustainability looks like for European independent media today. In this episode we take a look at how the Italian IrpiMedia grew from a group of freelance journalists publishing in legacy media into an investigative newsroom collaborating with dozens of freelancers. They also have a project where they work together with community journalists working in news deserts in Italy. But how does a small team handle such growth? How can the tasks be effectively split between the co-founders? And how is it possible to create a balance between growth and sustainability?