content warning: infrequent strong language Sports Dietitian, climber, and crag mama Amanda Watts returns to the MGC podcast. She shares her experience of discovering climbing during her teenage years at a time when indoor climbing existed solely to train for real rock, outdoor climbing meant trad routes, boulder matts were predominately homemade and women at the crag were a rare sight.  Amanda talks about how modern technology has impacted the way we approach adventure, and why she is grateful that she discovered climbing well before she owned a mobile phone akin to a mini computer. Our meandering chats explore Amanda's relationship with risk since becoming a mother, her journey of creating a life that brings her happiness and throwing away the guilt of how she "should" be living, and discovering the motivation behind pushing hard.  It's a conversation that touches on so many aspects of a climbers life, and so often comes back to recognising what motivates you, what gets you excited, the people who inspire you to push hard...and owning that space.  Visit Amanda's Website thrivend.com.au Follow Amanda on Instagram *Hewlett Parkard "study" was actually an internal report, conclusions were published as part of article 'A Business Case for Women' in The McKinsey Quarterly by Georges Desvaux, Sandrine Devillard-Hoellinger and Mary C. Meany.