In the first episode of The Trial Update Caroline and Liz have a snapshot of the evidence of Dr Ravi Jayaram as he appeared before the Thirlwall inquiry. He said sorry, and said he wishes now he'd been stronger and braver and spoken up sooner about Lucy Letby. He also said senior managers would not take the consultants' concerns seriously and he now reflected it had been like being in an abusive relationship. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this episode Caroline and Liz discuss the evidence of the union rep who became close friends with Lucy Letby. Hayley Griffiths exchanged jokey and inappropriate texts with her about ‘tips’ on how to get away with murder and told her they would be ‘friends forever.’ They also hear evidence about Lucy Letby’s employment grievance and how rumours were flying around the hospital that a consultant made a pass at her and that she was the victim of a witch hunt. And they bring you a statement...

The Thirlwall Inquiry is having a week off so it's a good time for Caroline and Liz to chat to lawyer and expert Elkan Ambrahamson about what difference, if any, public inquires really make in changing things for the future. They also have more details about Lucy Letby's latest appeal which was thrown out last week by three judges - signalling the end of the road for her, unless her lawyer can find new evidence to put before the Criminal Cases Review Commission.  Welcome to Episode 11: Will...

In this episode we hear from the nursing manager who got ‘too close’ to Lucy Letby, sending her chummy messages telling her to ‘hang on in there, girl,’ after police were called in. Karen Rees said she felt ‘bullied’ by a consultant when he called her at home to demand Lucy Letby was removed from the ward, after she murdered two triplet brothers in quick succession. He claimed to have a ‘drawer of doom’ about Lucy Letby but senior nurses believed she was being made a scapegoat for poor...

Caroline and Liz are back with the latest from The Thirlwall Inquiry which is continuing to investigate how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder at the Countess of Chester Hospital.   In this episode we learn more about Letby’s character and behaviour from her fellow nurses working closely with her on the neonatal unit. We are told she initially failed her final year placement as her mentor felt she lacked the requisite professionalism and empathy for a children’s nursing role. We then hear...

Caroline and Liz are back with the latest from The Thirlwall Inquiry which is continuing to investigate how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder at the Countess of Chester Hospital.   In this episode we hear from Doctor U, the married doctor who prosecutors at Lucy Letby's trial described as her boyfriend and who she denied having an affair with.  He tells the inquiry he didn’t suspect her of causing harm and actively encouraged her to gain more work and valuable experiences at another...

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the evidence from some of the doctors who worked on the ward with Lucy Letby. They all told the inquiry the numbers of babies collapsing and dying caused staff to think the unthinkable - that a member of staff was harming babies.  Once they did raise concerns with managers they were wrongly told a review had cleared Lucy Letby and they were ordered to write her a letter of apology.  We also heard this week that that senior nurses told the consultants...

Caroline and Liz are back with the latest from The Thirlwall Inquiry which is continuing to investigate how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder at the Countess of Chester Hospital.   In this episode we hear the testimony from 8 parents who had babies on the neonatal unit. The same themes recur again and again. We hear how the families’ search for answers fell upon deaf ears. Many describe their regret at putting their trust in the hospital and its staff. They detail the hospital’s failure to...

Join Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull as they cover the latest evidence from the Thirlwall Inquiry, which is examining how Lucy Letby was able to commit murder whilst working at the Countess of Chester Hospital.   In this episode we recount the experiences of the parents of five babies who were killed or harmed by the neonatal nurse through their first-hand testimony. We hear how they came to question her actions and behaviour, and learn more about how and when, they say the hospital fell short...

In this episode we hear evidence from two mothers whose babies were murdered by Lucy Letby on the neonatal unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital.    They detail a lack of disclosure and poor communication from the hospital. They confirm the consequences of the hospital managers’ delay in contacting the police and the lack of accountability felt at the time and ever since. Their distressing and emotive testimony lays bare how responsible many of the parents feel the Countess was in allowing...

We are now at the end of the first week of the Thirlwall Inquiry set up to establish how Lucy Letby was able to get away with murdering babies on an NHS hospital ward for so long.   Already damaging testimony has been delivered about how multiple attempts to raise the alarm went unheeded, and delays in calling in the police cost babies' lives. Why were managers slow to act? What action could or should the hospital have taken? And what urgently needs to change within our healthcare system to...

Following the trial and conviction of neonatal nurse Lucy Letby, The Thirlwall Inquiry has been set up to examine the events at the Countess of Chester Hospital that surrounded the murder and attempted murder of multiple babies. It began today, Tuesday 10th September 2024, at Liverpool Town Hall. In this episode Caroline Cheetham and Liz Hull discuss the very first day of the hearing as the opening statements by chair, Lady Justice Thirlwall and counsel to the Inquiry, Rachel Langdale KC,...

As it’s revealed Lucy Letby has changed her legal team this special episode takes a look at what is causing rampant speculation amongst both experts and the general public that Lucy Letby’s conviction could have been ‘unsafe’. We speak to Professor Jane Hutton, who signed a letter calling for an extension to the scope of the Inquiry as she questions the statistical evidence that was provided in court. Liz and Caroline then go onto discuss Letby’s legal position with Tim Owen, KC, a barrister...

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the heartwrenching words of Baby K’s mum who spoke in court about how Lucy Letby’s actions had devastated her family’s life. They also detail the remarks of Mr Justice Goss, as he sentenced Lucy Letby to another whole life term, and they discuss the reasons she tried and failed to appeal her convictions. Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early.  Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with...

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the guilty verdict. It took the jury in Manchester just over three hours to decide that Lucy Letby did try to murder a tiny premature baby known only as Baby K. They believed the doctor who said he caught Lucy Letby virtually red-handed as the baby started to collapse after her breathing tube was dislodged. Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail northern correspondent Liz Hull and broadcast journalist...

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the final words to the jury before they are sent out to consider their verdict. They have been told it’s up to them which evidence is the most important, and which witnesses they choose to believe. Lucy Letby’s guilt or innocence in this case, is in their hands.  Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl born 15 weeks early.  Follow the trial's evidence just as the jury do, with twice-weekly reports from Daily Mail...

In this episode Caroline and Liz bring you the evidence of Lucy Letby in her own words and detail what she told the jury over two days in the witness box. She insisted she does not remember the alleged attack on Baby K, or accept that what Dr Ravi Jayaram says he saw actually happened. She also denied ‘looking for grief’ when she searched for the names of parents of babies she killed or harmed on Facebook years after they died.  Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny...

In this episode Caroline and Liz have seen, for the first time, the videos of Lucy Letby facing questions from detectives. In three separate video clips shown to the jury, Lucy Letby denied dislodging Baby K’s breathing tube and she said she could not remember Baby K collapsing. She also told officers the unit could not cope with the number of babies and Baby K was so premature she would have needed one to one care. Lucy Letby denies attempting to murder Baby K who was a tiny baby girl...

In this episode Caroline and Liz have the evidence of Dr Ravi Jayaram who told the jury he caught Lucy Letby “virtually red handed” as she allegedly attempted to kill Baby K. He says he walked into Nursery 1 to find the baby collapsing, but the alarms on the ventilator were not sounding and Lucy Letby was standing nearby doing nothing. He said today that he didn’t call the police because he feared retribution from hospital managers. The jury have already been told that Dr Jayaram is the key...

In this episode Caroline and Liz hear the Mum’s Story. That’s Baby K’s mum who told the jury not just about the short four-day life of her daughter, but also of her excitement when she first found out she was pregnant. She also told the court how she and her husband took pictures with their daughter – just half an hour after nurse Lucy Letby allegedly tried to kill her. Lucy Letby denies the charge and her defence barrister has already told the court Baby K was so premature that she was...

In this episode Caroline and Liz are back at Manchester Crown Court as neo-natal nurse Lucy Letby returns to the dock. This time she is facing one charge – the attempted murder of a very premature baby girl, known as Baby K. Today, as the trial got underway, the jury were told she was caught “virtually red handed” by a consultant as she tried to dislodge the breathing tube of Baby K in an attempt to kill her. She then allegedly dislodged the tube twice more to cover her tracks.  The jury were...

In this episode, Caroline and Liz sign off for the time being. So they’re handing over to you and will try to answer some of the questions you’ve been asking throughout the trial. Many of these questions couldn't be addressed earlier due to legal restrictions, and they still can’t answer everything, but they’ll shed some light on some of the things you’ve wanted to know.  They also bring up an update from the steps of Manchester Crown Court about a development in the trial against Lucy...

In this episode Caroline and Liz chat to eminent barrister Mary Prior KC, who explains just how defendants appeal their convictions following the announcement that Lucy Letby plans to contest the jury’s verdicts in her case. We also have an exclusive interview with the prosecution’s main expert witness Dr Dewi Evans, who tells us why he fears Lucy Letby may have killed or harmed more babies in her care. Follow The Trial of Lucy Letby on Twitter @LucyLetbyTrial Hosted on Acast. See...