In episode 394 of Things We Said Today, Ken Michaels, Allan Kozinn and Darren Devivo reconvene for another chat with Mark Rivera, the saxophonist and multi-instrumentalist who has been the music director of Ringo Starr’s All-Starr Bands since the 1990s, as well as being a member of Billy Joel’s band since 1982, having worked with many other artists as well. This time we continue our discussion with Mark about working with Ringo, and also discuss with Mark the (mostly Beatles) tracks on which we find Ringo’s drumming at its most innovative.