General Visit Mark’s website, where you can find out more information about his books, including how to purchase them: https://www.markschatzker.com/ Follow Mark on Twitter: https://twitter.com/markschatzker References Mark’s paper, co-authored with Jeffrey Brunstrom, on micronutrients and food choice: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0195666322001465 Timestamps 0:00 Opening and introduction. 2:02 Mark reads a passage from his book ‘The End of Craving: Recovering the Lost Wisdom of Eating Well’. 5:20 Pellagra and how it differently influenced American and Italian cuisine and understandings of food. 15:08 ‘Delicious’/‘hyper-palatable’ food v deeply pleasurable eating experiences. 20:00 Micronutrients, food choice, and our innate nutritional wisdom. 39:33 A critique of the keto diet. 42:33 The set point theory of weight: how the brain deals with food. And why it is perilous to meddle with this process. 50:43 If set point theory is correct, why don’t people stay in a certain weight range all their lives? 58:19 Does the example of northern Italian food culture really support Mark’s theory? Iona challenges Mark’s ideas further with counterexamples. 1:10:00 Mark’s response and further discussion. 1:23:28 The lingering ghost of behaviourism and why we require a more sophisticated approach to the brain and its relationship with food. 1:30:23 Last words and outro.