Episode 189 with Jackie Schuld. “We need more time for things to work through our brains. Art helps with that and gives an outlet for all the intense emotions and thoughts we have.” Jackie is an expressive arts therapist who runs a private practice specializing in late-identified Autism & ADHD. As a late-identified autistic and ADHDer herself, she loves to connect with her clients through writing, art, and conversation. She also writes and illustrates visual books, including “What is Autism,” “Grief is a Mess” and many more. Jackie and I talk about the road to identifying as an autistic and ADHD adult, and some of the limitations to the diagnosis process. We also discuss the difficulties that many neurodivergent adults, especially women, have had with therapy in the past and some of the unique needs that neurodivergent clients bring to a therapeutic relationship. We also talk about how and why art therapy — including writing, drawing, music, and more — can be such a valuable tool for expression and self-exploration, especially for neurodivergent clients.  Website: jackieschuld.com Medium: @jackieschuld Links & Resources: Jackie's Adult Autism Resources What is Autism by Jackie Schuld Grief is a Mess by Jackie Schuld Unmasking Autism by Devon Price The Exvangelicals: Loving, Living, and Leaving the White Evangelical Church by Sarah McCammon  - - - - -  Episode edited by E Podcast Productions Find the transcript of this episode at www.womenandadhd.com/transcripts - - - - - Small group coaching with Katy: www.womenandadhd.com/groupcoaching - - - - - Work 1-on-1 with Katy: www.womenandadhd.com/coaching - - - - - Order the “Hey, it’s ADHD!” course: www.womenandadhd.com/adhdcourse - - - - - Did you love this episode? Click here to pledge a one-time donation to the podcast! - - - - - If you are a woman who was diagnosed with ADHD and you’d like to apply to be a guest on this podcast, visit womenandadhd.com/podcastguest. Instagram: @womenandadhdpodcast Tiktok: @womenandadhdpodcast Twitter: @womenandadhd Facebook: @womenandadhd Our Sponsors: * Check out Sunbasket: sunbasket.com/WOMENADHD Support this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/women-and-adhd/donations Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands Privacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacy