With Payal Arora, we have a renowned digital anthropologist, author and professor as our guest. And for our first live podcast, and our first in English, we couldn't have asked for a better one. She is co-founder of FemLab, a feminist researcher activist cooperative on the future of work, and advocates for inclusive technology and policy design. Her research focuses on the impact of digital in the Global South, especially global digital cultures, inequality and data governance. She is the author of several award-winning books, including "The Next Billion Users", which Forbes hailed as groundbreaking. Her latest book is called "From Pessimism to Promise: Lessons from the Global South on Designing Inclusive Tech. Payal gives us a real firework display of insights into her work. Time and again, she holds up a mirror to our views and urges us to embrace the creativity and energy of the Global South as a model. For example - did you know that 90 percent of the world's young people live in the Global South? Or that the big tech companies see the Global South primarily as a source of data? If you also want to hear how Payal got into a Twitter war with Rutger Bregman (spoiler: that's Michael's favorite author) and what that has to do with colonialism, then this episode is for you! As always, there are 5 learnings at the end that Payal gives us: 1. The Global North should not talk to the Global South, but with the Global South. 2. Pessimism is a privilege for those who can afford to live in despair. The rest of us must be rational optimists, because the only way to change the future is to move forward. 3. Good ideas don't come from a place of depression, they come from a place of hope. 4. We have moved beyond the binaries of us versus them, male versus female, or global North versus global South, because good ideas come from everywhere. 5. We need every good idea to tackle some of the biggest problems we face together as humanity: climate crisis, global inequality and other kinds of reform, because we all want one thing: a better future. … in a nutshell We firmly believe that we have more in common than sets us apart. That wasn't always the case. As father and son, we can look back on 28 intense years during which we repeatedly butted heads, not always constructively. Today, we know that during that time, we learned a lot about each other and about ourselves. For several years now, we have been intensively practicing reverse mentoring, which means that we share our experiences with each other and thus come up with better ideas and solutions. For 26 episodes of Zoomer Meets Boomer, we have been sharing our conversations with our listeners. In episode 26 for the first time in English. Thank you, dear Payal Amora, for being our first guest in a foreign language. It was a great honor and an equally great pleasure. If you would like to see and hear us live, here is your chance: AI Impact Days: October 15, 2024, Berlin Orgatec: October 23, 2024, Cologne VITRA | SCHWADKE BÜROEINRICHTUNGEN, November 21, 2024, Rosenheim LinkedIn: Michaeltrautmann64 Oskar-trautmann96 #ZoomerMeetsBoomer #GenZ #BabyBoomer