In this episode, Steve Morrison, Sara Allinder, and Andrew Schwartz discuss the uncomfortable paradox surrounding South Africa’s HIV/AIDS epidemic. At the time of the interview, Steve had recently returned from a documentary filming trip to South Africa, while Sara was completing analysis based on a February 2019 visit noted in her analysis piece, The World’s Largest HIV Epidemic in Crisis: HIV in South Africa. The conversation includes a discussion of the September 2019 outbursts of xenophobic violence and targeted violence against women, and how those factor into the HIV epidemic.