#037 Join us two BPM nerds talking about feelings, roles, standardization, and a big announcement. In this slightly different episode, I'm talking to Martin Holling for the second time. In addition to the topics that Martin and I have on our radar at the moment, Martin shares insights into his BPM journey at KEMNA BAU. And we delve into one of my favorite topics of New Process: the role concept. What are the important elements? And how can we distinguish between roles that work in the process and roles that work on the process? Let's find out… And, by the way, we are releasing a big announcement for the New Process community in the episode! Today’s Guest: Martin Holling Martin is one of the New Process Podcast listeners who have listened to every single episode and he is a real BPM enthusiast. He has been working for Siemens in various Process Management positions in Siemens’ Energy sector for nearly 20 years. During that time, he developed and implemented a BPM framework that covered a lot of the New Process Principles. After leaving Siemens, he worked as a Senior BPM Consultant for four years. Today, he is Head of Process Management at KEMNA BAU, one of the largest road construction companies and street infrastructure providers in Germany. In parallel, he is offering his experience as a self-employed management consultant at living-processes.de As much as time besides work and his family – he is married and has 3 daughters – allows, he is singing in a local choir and restoring a classic car together with his brother. You’ll learn: What Martin and I have on our radar right nowWhat Martin’s BPM journey at KEMNA BAU looks likeHow to differentiate between roles working in the process and on the processWhat the important elements of a BPM role concept areHow to successfully approach a process standardization projectWhat the big announcement for the New Process Community isI hope, you enjoy this episode of the New Process Podcast and are curious to learn more in the next episode. Hit subscribe to not miss it! If you'd like to get the links and show notes for this episode, head to: https://www.NewProcessLab.com/episode37 ---Thanks to our New Process Partner of the month, we can keep the New Process Podcast free: This month, our partner is aiio: If you don't know aiio, you have to give it a try. It is a super easy to use process management tool with a strong focus on AI features. If you are interested in a demo, just book a session with their CMO Jobst von Heintze by heading to NewProcessLab.com/aiio ---I'm running a survey to identify the BPM topics 2024. It would be super cool, if you take a few minutes of your time to help me prioritize my activities for the next year. To take the survey, just go to: NewProcessLab.com/survey --- Follow me on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mirkokloppenburg/ Want to know how to start rethinking processes? Get my free checklist here: http://www.NewProcessLab.com/checklist