【聊了什么The What】 「念奴娇·昆仑」里有这样的诗词，仿佛让我们看到了平地而起的蘑菇云，和原子弹之父奥本海默面对广袤的新墨西哥州的沙漠的剪影： 横空出世，莽昆仑，阅尽人间春色。 飞起玉龙三百万，搅得周天寒彻。 夏日消溶，江河横溢，人或为鱼鳖。 千秋功罪，谁人曾与评说？ 从1945年原子弹爆炸的那一刻起，人类已经在原子弹威胁阴影之下生活了八十年；而对于它千古功罪的“评说”从未停止。这个夏天，导演克里斯托弗·诺兰为我们呈上了新的作品《奥本海默》，讲述了原子弹之父复杂和不为人知的人生，原子弹和他的创造者的故事被一起投射到了70mm的IMAX巨幕上，我们也穿越诺兰的镜头，看到了奥本海默与原子弹的纠葛——然而这部电影对于许多话题选择了缄默。 疲惫娇娃邀请来两位前物理学家——前高能理论物理学家赵智沉和前实验粒子物理学家程扬扬——参与了一场长达两小时的对话，并剪辑成上下两集呈现给大家。在第一部分中，我们反思了电影的叙事选择和视觉语言，揭示了核历史中被隐藏和被埋葬的许多角色——原住民、女性、被殖民的国家和国民、原子弹的受害者们。同时我们也从核武器的历史角度展开，探讨了他们的科学背景如何塑造他们对这一令人难忘的电影体验的独特视角。 How do you even begin to tell the story of the Atomic bomb, when humanity split the atom out of wartime desperation, and finally created the ability to destroy ourselves? For eight decades, we've lived in its looming shadow, a tool of annihilation that has redefined global geopolitics and provoked existential inquiries that span generations. It takes a filmmaker like Christopher Nolan to project it onto the grand canvas of a 70mm IMAX screen. Enter 'Oppenheimer,' this summer's epic blockbuster. To discuss the film, two former physicists - Zhao Zhichen, a former theoretical physicist, and Cheng Yangyang, an experimental particle physicist - engaged in a two-hour conversation to unpack the summer epic blockbuster Oppenheimer. In the first part, we reflect on the narrative choices and visual language of the film, uncovering many overlooked figures in nuclear history - indigenous peoples, women, colonized nations and citizens, victims of the bomb. We also explore how their backgrounds in nuclear physics inform their unique perspectives on this memorable cinematic experience. 【时间轴 The When】 02: 37 安利节目：属于我们社群的一档关于美国政治新闻的播客『美轮美换』上线啦！ 03: 30 「奥本海默」第一观影印象 15: 00 电影采用了哪种叙事、忽视了哪些人物？ 24: 05 电影中被抹去的人 —- 受害者，女性，原住民 25: 50 原子弹的解脱视角是什么？为什么标志性的“蘑菇云”这个视角有问题？ 39: 30 如果物理学有一种旋律，这个旋律在物理学家二种听起来是什么样的？ 46: 25 物理学家所研究的东西，无论是庞大微小还是抽象，在多大程度上影响了ta们看待世界的方式？ 02:37 - Show highlight: Our friends' US politics podcast "美轮美换" is live! 03:30 - First impressions of "Oppenheimer" 15:00 - What narrative techniques does the film use, and whose stories does it overlook? Nolan's "overreach" and contradictions 24:05 - Who is erased from the film – the victims of atomic bomb, the women, and the indigenous people 25:50 - What is the redemptive perspective on the atomic bomb? Why is the iconic "mushroom cloud" visual problematic? 39:30 - If physics has a tune, what does that music sound like to physicists? 46:25 - To what extent does the scale and abstraction of their research shape physicists' worldviews? 【拓展链接 The Links】 Our Oppenheimer Moment: The Creation