【聊了什么The What】 奥斯卡提名的作品《美国小说》American Fiction讲述了一个陷入这样的创作难题的黑人作家Monk——在以自己作为主体的Monk自己的书不被出版界和读者买账，却发现一部“迎合白人观众、贩卖黑人创伤和贫困”的书却大卖。于是Monk决定用通过写一部充满所以刻板印象的“黑人文学”去反抗自己的命运。但是却遭遇了一系列的家庭变故。 把这个故事翻译到疲惫娇娃熟悉的语境中，我们也能找到共通的挑战：女性书写女性的苦难一定是“吃女权饭”吗？亚裔书写亚裔的创伤是“迎合白人观众”吗？如何在忠于自我生活的创作中，同时能够获得创作的体面（收入、关注等等）？如何演绎生活的复杂度，同时也能鼓励其他族群的人和“我”共情？ 一个很会写的女的Caiwei也加入了这场对话。 The Oscar-nominated work "American Fiction" tells the story of Thelonius “Monk” Ellison, a Black writer who finds himself in a creative dilemma. Out of anger, spite, and disappointment in the publishing industry status quo, he takes up a pen name and writes a piece of "Black literature" filled with stereotypes as a form of rebellion, yet the publishing world gobbles it all up. The movie, when translated into familiar contexts, reveals universal challenges: Is it merely a form of capitalizing on feminism when women write about women's suffering? Is it catering to white audiences when Asians write about Asian trauma? How can one stay true to their own life experiences in their creative work, while also achieving dignity in creation (income, attention, etc.)? How can the complexity of life be conveyed in a way that also encourages empathy from people of other ethnic groups? Caiwei, our a talented female writer friend, also joins this dialogue. 【时间轴 The When】 00:00 电影《美国小说》和电影导演编剧Cord Jefferson 05:58 对家庭故事部分的讨论，包括男主角Monk的家庭背景和家族创伤：人生的复杂度和混乱从Monk的角度徐徐展开 17:39 电影中对白人出版界人物的扁平化描写和对白人观众的讽刺 34:00 故事中穿插着故事，这个电影是一个三个圆嵌套的非常meta的结构; 女作家和Monk是互通的，而不是互为对立 40:59 电影结尾的开放式处理和对创作者能讲怎样的故事的探讨 01:00:23 我们值得看到真诚、细腻的少数族裔故事 00:00 “American Fiction”: overview of this Oscar-nominated movie and its creator: screenwriter-turned-director Cord Jefferson 05:58 The duality of the movie: intertwining storylines of the literary plot and the family drama, the complexity of life as a middle-aged man, all from protagonist Monk’s point of view 17:39 The intentional one-dimensional portrayal of characters in the publishing industry and the satirization of a white audience 34:00 The meta structure of this movie’s storytelling 40:59 Our discussion around the choice for an open-ended ending and what kind of creators are allowed to tell what kinds of stories 01:00:23 We all deserve to see authentic and nuanced stories 01:06:55 Bella's patricide, reconciliation with her father, and eventual symbolic rebirth as her father 【拓展链接 The Links】 https://tinhouse.com/on-pandering/ 【疲惫红书 CyberRed】 除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。 Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more.