Thomas is joined by Margaret Wheatley, a writer, teacher, speaker, and organizational consultant whose work focuses on summoning and training leaders who can step up to guide us in building new systems based on shared values, instead of trying to reform the destructive and corrupted systems that currently threaten life on this planet.  Thomas and Margaret start from the ground up, exploring how collectives and cultures emerge and how they operate, incorporating wisdom from science and biology. They focus on how different cultures define, experience, and approach trauma, and what we can learn from them. Drawing on her work in diverse international communities, Margaret believes that the human spirit can transcend its individual experience. Using support from community and lessons from spirituality, we can shake off the loneliness of trauma, unite to reclaim our spirits, and use whatever power and influence we possess for the good of all humans.   ✨ Registration is open for Thomas’ all-new course, The Ancestral Healing Code. This fall, join Thomas to explore how to work with intergenerational trauma, embody our role as ancestors for future generations, access ancestral wisdom for healing our planet, and tap into the spiritual dimension of our ancestral lineage.  Come together as a global community for 5-months of live, online sessions to engage in real-time process work and intergenerational dialogue with expert guest speakers including Dr. Gabor Maté and Daniel Maté; Vanessa and Giovanna Andreotti, Serene Thin Elk, and more. As a member of the Point of Relation community, you’ll receive a $200 discount on the course tuition. Learn more & register here: 👉  https://ancestralhealingcode.com/podcast    ✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website: 👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com    ✨ Order Thomas’ new book, “Attuned: Practicing Interdependence to Heal Our Trauma–And Our World” here: 👉 https://www.attunedbook.com   Margaret Wheatley, Ed.D. began her career as a Peace Corps volunteer in post-war Korea. In many different roles—speaker, teacher, organizational consultant, advisor, and formal leader—her work has deepened into an unshakable conviction that leaders must learn how to invoke people's inherent generosity, creativity, and need for community. She is co-founder and president of The Berkana Institute and the author of thirteen books. ✨ Connect with Margaret here: 👉 https://margaretwheatley.com Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.  In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University. ✨ Connect with Thomas here: Website: https://thomashuebl.com/ Facebook: https://facebook.com/Thomas.Huebl.Sangha/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thomashuebl/ Twitter: https://www.twitter.com/ThomasHuebl YouTube: https://youtube.com/@thomashuebl