This week I spiraled out with screenwriter, showrunner & director Ilana Peña! (Diary Of A Future President, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend)  We talked how earnestly loving things can make you an easy target, the double punch of when shame and anxiety spirals intertwine, annoying film and theater school bros, feeling haunted by the fear of being a horrible person, being too anxious to do drugs, and so much more. Plus, Ilana shares a hilarious and vulnerable shame story about how at the precise moment that she finally thought she had left her gullible, messy teenaged ways behind her and was living her best and savviest adult life...she was duped by some evil internet scammers, careening her into questioning EVERYTHING.  Follow Ilana on Instagram @lanstagram and watch Diary of a Future President  on Disney+ while you still can- they're removing it from the platform 5/26! Gah! And you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @elykreimendahl, and the pod on Twitter and Instagram @podshamespiral, where I'm regularly posting fun video clips of especially juicy or hilarious moments from the episodes.     And we now have a Patreon! Please check it out, and if you've been enjoying the pod, PATRONIZE US! https://www.patreon.com/ShameSpiralPod Audio Engineer/Editor: Sarah Gabrielli (check out her amazing podcast about the last lesbian bars in America @cruisingpod on Instagram and TikTok and listen here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cruising-a-lesbian-bar-road-trip/id1585850925 Original Music: Shadwick Wilde, Instagram and Twitter: @shadwickwilde Cover Art: Cassidy Kulhanek, Instagram, Twitter and TikTok: @heavenlygrandpa New episodes every Tuesday! Don't forget to subscribe, review and please leave those five shining stars! twitter.com/podshamespiral instagram.com/podshamespiral instagram.com/elykreimendahl tiktok.com/@elykreimendahl twitter.com/elykreimendahl