This week I spiraled out with author, podcaster and atheist/Jewish/humanist chaplain extraordinaire Vanessa Zoltan!  (Hot & Bothered, Praying With Jane Eyre) We talked internalized anti-semitism and loud, powerful Jewish women, wanting to be so good that no one can talk sh*t about you to their therapist, shame and love for the romance genre, treating secular things as sacred, and SO MUCH MORE!    Plus, Vanessa tells a shame story about being stalked in college, and navigating shame around not only the experience of that primary trauma, but friends' harmful and misattuned reactions to it.    Follow Vanessa on Twitter and Instagram @vanessazoltan, and listen to her SEVERAL incredible podcasts: Hot & Bothered (@therompod,) Harry Potter Sacred Text (hpsacredtext,) and The Real Question Podcast (@realquestionpod.) And buy Vanessa's new book "Praying For Jane Eyre" everywhere; it's amazing! https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/623433/praying-with-jane-eyre-by-vanessa-zoltan/   You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @elykreimendahl, and the pod on Twitter and Instagram @podshamespiral, where I'm regularly posting fun video clips of especially juicy or hilarious moments from the episodes.   And we now have a Patreon! Please check it out, and if you've been enjoying the pod, PATRONIZE US! https://www.patreon.com/ShameSpiralPod Audio Engineer/Editor: Sarah Gabrielli (check out her amazing podcast about the last lesbian bars in America @cruisingpod on Instagram and TikTok and listen here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cruising-a-lesbian-bar-road-trip/id1585850925 Original Music: Shadwick Wilde, Instagram and Twitter: @shadwickwilde Cover Art: Cassidy Kulhanek, Instagram, Twitter and TikTok: @heavenlygrandpa New episodes every Tuesday! Don't forget to subscribe, review and please leave those five shining stars!  twitter.com/podshamespiral instagram.com/podshamespiral instagram.com/elykreimendahl tiktok.com/@elykreimendahl twitter.com/elykreimendahl