In this episode Caroline and Jack have an important update from the Old Bailey and will explain why we may be waiting for a verdict for a litle bit longer. We also have a chat with our podcast friend and media law expert David Banks to explain the problems of trials which run much longer than predicted. Warning: This podcast references court proceedings which detail the death and alleged abuse of a child in detail. Follow the evidence as the jury hears it, in twice-weekly reports from...

In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the moment the Judge, Mark Lucraft KC sent the jury out to start their deliberations. After more than three months of hearing evidence the decisions are now up to them. Before he did this he reminded the jury of the key evidence in the case and what they need to consider during their deliberations. Legal expert David Banks also walks us through why this is now the most sensitive part of the trial process. Warning: This podcast references court...

In this episode Caroline and Jack bring you the Judge, Mark Lucraft KC. His job now, at the end of this trial, is to sum up this case, to remind the jury of the evidence they've heard. Today he reminded them what Constance Marten had told them as she spent several days in the witness box. He also referred to the evidence from the two pathologists who had told them Victoria's body was so decomposed they could not conclude how she died. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the closing speech of Constance Marten's barrister, Francis Fitzgibbon KC, as he urged jurors to acquit her of the killing of her baby, Victoria. He told the Old Bailey 'the evidence isn't there' to convict the aristocrat and her partner Mark Gordon over Victoria's death and accused the prosecution of describing the baby as 'it' which, he said, was 'jarring and dehumanising'. The episode will also feature his suggestion that jurors should ignore...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the defence closing speech made on behalf of Mark Gordon by John Femi-Ola KC. He describes Constance Marten as a 'lioness' protecting her cubs and said the death of Baby Victoria was a 'tragic accident'. The episode also features the end of prosecutor Tom Little KC's closing speech. Warning: This podcast references court proceedings which detail the death and alleged abuse of a child in detail. Follow the evidence as the jury hears it, in...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the closing speech of the Prosecutor Tom Little KC. He told the jury Constance Marten had told “big fat lies” in her defence. Lies, he said, which “fell like confetti from her lips”. And he said despite Mark Gordon “grandstanding” to police about his “rights” he had refused to give evidence when the moment arrived. He said Victoria was caught in the middle of her parents toxic relationship, she was freezing cold, and she never stood a...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you more of the tense exchange between Professor Peter Fleming and Tom Little KC. The court has also been told that Constance Marten’s parents did hire private investigators to try to track her down, but they said this was not when she was on the run with baby Victoria. Warning: This podcast references court proceedings which detail the death and alleged abuse of a child in detail. Follow the evidence as the jury hears it, in twice-weekly reports from...

Launching Friday 19th April, Vogue Williams hosts The Apple and The Tree, a brand new podcast where a parent and their adult child get to ask each other about the parts of their shared history they’ve always wanted to know more about, but never given themselves the time to do so. These are deep, intimate and revealing conversations that move through love, grief, shame, sexuality, religion, addiction, identity and so much more. ‌ Because these shows were recorded in our guest’s own homes, it’s...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you a key witness in the defence case of Constance Marten - an expert who investigates the unexpected death of babies. Prof Peter Fleming told the court he thought Constance Marten’s account was ‘extraordinarily consistent’ and cast doubt on how the prosecution say Baby Victoria died. Warning: This podcast references court proceedings which detail the death and alleged abuse of a child in detail. Follow the evidence as the jury hears it, in...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the final day of Constance Marten’s evidence from the witness box as she told jurors she had wanted to get an autopsy for her baby in the hope she would find the death wasn’t her fault. The episode also features her claim that she had neglected herself to the point of exhaustion in trying to look after Baby Victoria - and it was this exhaustion that ultimately led her to fall asleep with the child in her arms, she said. Warning: This podcast...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack will bring you the latest from the evidence of Constance Marten, as she defended her decision to take her newborn baby into a tent in the middle of winter - saying that 'Jesus survived in a barn'. The episode will also feature claims that a man Constance Marten said inspired her plan to flee abroad has also used his website to encourage children to invent bomb plots against social workers. Warning: This podcast references court proceedings which detail the...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the latest from the prosecution's cross-examination of Constance Marten, in which she claims her family placed a travel ban on her by telling the court she was having children to sell illegally and that she was addicted to drugs. The episode also features her claims that she was planning to try to find a people-smuggling nanny on Gumtree to bring her newborn baby Victoria abroad. Warning: This podcast references court proceedings which detail the...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you more from the evidence of Constance Marten as she reveals she and Mark Gordon considered taking their own lives after the death of their baby Victoria in February 2023. The episode also features the start of the cross-examination as the prosecution question Constance Marten’s decision making in the baby’s final days. Warning: This podcast references court proceedings which detail the death and alleged abuse of a child in detail. Follow the evidence...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you all the latest from the first day of the evidence of Constance Marten in the witness box at the Old Bailey, where she told jurors that she was fleeing from her family as well as social services when she went on the run with Mark Gordon and their newborn baby Victoria - but denied ever carrying her in a bag-for-life. The episode will also feature a recap of Mark Gordon's defence case. Warning: This podcast references court proceedings which detail...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the latest evidence from the Old Bailey, where the trial of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon heard from two pathologists about the possible ways in which Baby Victoria died while on the South Downs when the couple were on the run last year. The episode will also feature the poignant moment jurors were allowed to examine the baby gro that the infant wore for much of her short life. Warning: This podcast references court proceedings which detail the...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the latest from the Old Bailey, where jurors were told about Constance Marten and Mark Gordon’s history with social services and why a family court decided to take their previous four children into care. The episode will also feature the evidence of an expert in paediatric health - who said a newborn baby could die within hours in the wintery conditions on the South Downs when the couple were camping with their baby in a tent last...

In this episode Caroline and Jack have the interview Mark Gordon gave to the detectives investigating the case. He tells them the couple discussed giving the baby up, but the following morning she had died, and even though he tried to give her CPR, it didn’t work.  He told them when Victoria died it was every parents worst dread.  We’ll also bring you the evidence that Constance Marten had over £19,000 in her bank account when the couple were on the run, but she made no cash withdrawals after...

In this episode Caroline and Jack bring the full police interviews with Constance Marten which took place after the body of Victoria had been found. Constance Marten told detectives the couple were portrayed as villains when they were on the run, and she said the media storm made her too afraid to hand herself in. After Victoria died she said she wanted to bury her but the couple hadn’t eaten for weeks, so were too weak to dig a grave. The episode will also bring more information about why...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack will bring you the latest from the Old Bailey, where the trial of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon heard about the moment police finally found the body of Baby Victoria in a shed in March 2023, nearly two months after the couple allegedly went on the run with her. The episode will also feature details of their police interviews, both before and after the discovery of the baby's body. The jury saw footage of a tearful Constance Marten tell police about her...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the latest from the Old Bailey, where the trial of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon was dramatically halted last week after an explosion under the court. The episode will also feature evidence about the final days the couple spent on the run, when they appeared to scavenge in bins for food, as well as the eyewitness account of the man who set in motion their arrest after growing suspicious of the couple outside a corner shop in Brighton. The jury...

In this special extended episode Caroline and Liz speak to Esther Ghey, the mother of Brianna. In her first in depth audio interview, Esther tells them about the moment she learned her daughter had been murdered, how she has coped with the past 12 months and how she plans to mark the anniversary of Brianna’s death on Sunday. She also speaks passionately about her determination to make positive change for children, by campaigning for new legislation around mobile phones and social media, and...

In this episode, Caroline and Jack bring you the dramatic bodycam footage of the moment Constance Marten and Mark Gordon are finally arrested after weeks on the run. In the footage both are asked repeatedly where the baby is, but neither give an answer.  The episode also outlines the evidence from a woman who says she was awoken on two consecutive nights in her house on the edge of the South Downs by the sound of a baby crying. A few days later, she said that she saw a couple resembling Mark...

In this episode Caroline and Liz talk to Dr Carol Stott, an expert in autism, to try and answer some of your questions about the role the condition played in the trial. They bring you a longer interview with criminologist Prof David Wilson, who offers his insight into what drove Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe to kill Brianna. And they also bring you news of a new campaign launched by Brianna’s mother, Esther Ghey, which aims to help parents control what their children are looking at...

In this episode Caroline and Liz outline all the details from a dramatic day in court as Brianna’s killers were sentenced and their names revealed for the first time. They also discuss how sadism and Brianna’s transgender status partly motivated them Scarlett Jenkinson and Eddie Ratcliffe to kill. And that just a few weeks ago Jenkinson finally admitted stabbing Brianna during the brutal attack. Follow us on X @thetrialpodcast Contact us at [email protected] Leave a comment on...