As an author, journalist and broadcaster, Dr Julia Baird has spent the last decade researching awe, wonder, grace and forgiveness (...and now the title makes sense!). Finding joy and purpose through ocean swimming, Julia shows us how impactful nature and community can be when we say yes to adventure (and also what to do when caught in a rip). With Josh out sick, Ryan and Hugh do the heavy lifting with bountiful good questions, Ryan becomes enlightened and discovers the meaning behind church (no really, he’s onto something), and Hugh and Ryan get deep with Julia and discuss the role of justice in forgiveness and the place of grace in today’s society. Julia, it was such an honour, and definitely a name ticked off our dream-guest bucket list. To watch the full episode on YouTube click here - https://youtu.be/3Xjy4eABOQ4 🎧Things to listen to: Not Stupid podcast with Julia Baird and Jeremy Fernandez - https://apple.co/4h3mhIS Grace Tame - “Sexy-time, Scissoring, Autism” - https://apple.co/404jXv7 All that really matters - Teddy Swims - https://bit.ly/3NmAt26 Renegades: Born in the USA with Barack Obama and Bruce Springsteen - https://apple.co/3BJbhQW 📖 Things to read Julia Baird’s ‘Staying Upright’ ABC column - https://ab.co/4f31HGN Phosphorescence by Julia Baird - https://bit.ly/3Y2MK0M Bright Shining by Julia Baird - https://bit.ly/4eNfaCX Silent Spring by Rachel Carlson - https://bit.ly/3NpOhcf The Sense of Wonder by Rachel Carlson - https://bit.ly/3A5UPcP The Sound of a Wild Snail Eating by Elisabeth Tova Bailey - https://amzn.to/3A1w3L1 AWE by Dacher Keltner - https://amzn.to/3BGEk7E The Courage To Be Disliked by Ichiro Kishimi and Fumitake Koga 📺 Things to watch Barack Obama singing Amazing Grace - https://bit.ly/3BG1WsV The Pool documentary - https://thepoolfilm.au 🌊 Information about Ocean Swimming Groups Phosphorescence Swimming Group (Melbourne) - https://bit.ly/488EWPp Margaret River Swimming Group - https://ab.co/4dKT02P   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.