Gray MacKenzie is the Co-Founder of ZenPilot, a training and consulting business that leads digital agencies through project management implementation using ClickUp. Altogether, ZenPilot has helped over 2,700 agencies improve their operations. Previously, Gray founded GuavaBox, a marketing agency for B2B SaaS.   This conversation covers how to avoid chaotic agency operations, best practices for project management, how to design effective systems in your business, how to create a "spin-off" business from your by-products, building an agency operator scorecard, Gray's entrepreneurial backstory, using AI to grow your business, alternatives to college, and much more.    Check out ZenPilot: → Website: zenpilot.com → Twitter: twitter.com/zenpilothq → LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/zenpilot   Connect with Gray: → LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/graymackenzie → Twitter: twitter.com/sgraymackenzie   Resources Mentioned in The Episode: → Agency Journey Podcast (Apple): podcasts.apple.com/za/podcast/agency-journey/id974213636 → Agency Journey Podcast (Spotify): open.spotify.com/show/4C7UEVPMZZlPzbMlIwmiaA → Twitter: twitter.com/agencyjourney → ZenPilot Website: zenpilot.com   Help The Louis and Kyle Show: → If you enjoyed this episode, please share it with a friend or leave a review! → Leave a review: podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/1504333834 → Drop us an email: [email protected] → Subscribe on YouTube: youtube.com/channel/UCb6qBiV1HAYcep87nKJmGhA   Follow The Show on Social Media: → Twitter: twitter.com/LouisKyleShow → Instagram: instagram.com/louiskyleshow → LinkedIn: linkedin.com/company/65567567   Connect with Louis and Kyle: → Read Louis' Newsletter: louisshulman.substack.com → Louis' Twitter: twitter.com/LouisShulman → Kyle’s Twitter: twitter.com/_kylebishop → Louis LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/louisshulman → Kyle’s LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/kyle-bishop-7b790050 This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit louisshulman.substack.com