In this episode of the "Into the Magic Shop" podcast, host Dr. Jim Doty and Dr. Dean Ornish discuss the intersection of spirituality and physical health. Dr. Ornish is president and founder of the nonprofit Preventive Medicine Research Institute in Sausalito, California, as well as clinical professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. Ornish shares his personal journey, emphasizing the importance of inner peace, meditation, and a plant-based diet. They discuss his most recent book, Undo It!: How Simple Lifestyle Changes Can Reverse Most Chronic Diseases, and well as the impact of anger on health, the pursuit of longevity, and the importance of authentic human connection. Their conversation delves into the role of compassion and forgiveness in healing, the progress of his program, and the power of choice in overcoming darkness. Ornish concludes by discussing the importance of self-care and self-love.