We host Marco de Jong to discuss AUKUS, how NZ is approaching it, the changes in position between this government and the last and what it threatens for the future of the Pacific. This episode’s co-hosts Kyle, Marco Timestamps 0:00 Introductions 3:16 AUKUS Pillar 2 6:35 Implications of AUKUS 13:19 Non-Partisian 16:02 Concerns With the US 21:08 The Report 22:24 US Industrial Complex in ANZ 29:09 Military in the Pacific 31:28 Distant Collateral Damage  32:15 NZs Potential Involvement 38:34 How Does NZ Pushback 44:19 The Risk of this Coalition 49:59 The Effects on the Pacific 58:25 Closings Intro/Outro by The Prophet Motive Support us here: https://www.patreon.com/1of200