Dan Bardell hosts The Athletic's podcast all about Aston Villa with Junior Editor Holly Percival and football writer Nick Miller. It was a beautiful day on Saturday, but the football at Villa Park failed to match the backdrop, certainly as far as the home side were concerned anyway. Dan and Holly reluctantly go over the ins and outs of defeat to Arsenal, and Nick Miller is on the line to tell us why he thinks Steven Gerrard could have thought twice before advising Bukayo Saka on toughness.