In search of answers for their many questions on the furry subculture, Frank and Tormsen bring Ironclaw and ABYSS designer Norman Rafferty into the studio. Most of these questions are left unanswered as the three instead talk about their experiences with Delta Green, Rafferty's time in the early years of the RPG hobby, and the changing face of occult and investigative role playing games. Rafferty is one of the founding members of Sanguine Games: https://www.sanguinegames.com/ And he's worked on a lot of books! https://www.drivethrurpg.com/browse.php?author=Norman%20Rafferty He also streams as part of the Stonefaced Crew: https://twitch.tv/raktus Where he's on the "Notes from the Aleph" podcast about RPG design theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im4TFNruwf4&list=PLm3qkcDnJb97T2_cD-L_7mi4VYsOlJtk-