In a conversation recorded before COP26 in Glasgow 2021, David and Jen Morris, the CEO of The Nature Conservancy, discuss the interconnectedness of nature in public health, economics, and wellbeing, and aligning incentives to bring nature to the forefront of climate change conversations.  "Until we can make that systemic change from it being a environment over here and economic development over here and never the two shall meet when it comes to policies and incentives, we're never going to mainstream nature into the economic frame it needs to be for us to see real change" - Jen Morris