Co-founders of Offchain Labs, Ed Felten and Steven Goldfeder take us back to 2014, when a classroom idea sparked their vision for scaling before Ethereum even launched. Learn why they believe interactive fraud proofs provide unparalleled security guarantees compared to ZK-rollups, and dive into how these fraud proofs technically work. Gain valuable perspective from Felten and Goldfeder on the flaws plaguing zero knowledge proofs and the overly optimistic claims made about their capabilities. Whether you're a developer evaluating layer 2s or an investor tracking the scaling wars, don't miss these insights from pioneers in the space who've been thinking about these problems longer than almost anyone else. Socials ⁠Steven's Twitter⁠ ⁠Ed’s Twitter⁠ ⁠Tommy’s Twitter⁠ Follow Delphi Digital Website: ⁠⁠⁠https://members.delphidigital.io/home⁠⁠⁠ Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/Delphi_Digital⁠⁠⁠ Youtube: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@Delphi_Digital⁠⁠ Disclosures Disclosures: This podcast is strictly informational and educational and is not investment advice or a solicitation to buy or sell any tokens or securities or to make any financial decisions. Do not trade or invest in any project, tokens, or securities based upon this podcast episode. The host and members at Delphi Ventures may personally own tokens or art that are mentioned on the podcast. Our current show features paid sponsorships which may be featured at the start, middle, and/or the end of the episode. These sponsorships are for informational purposes only and are not a solicitation to use any product, service or token. Delphi’s transparency page can be viewed ⁠⁠⁠here⁠⁠⁠. Keywords Ethereum, Scaling, Layer 2, Rollups, Arbitrum, Optimistic rollups, ZK rollups, ZK Proofs, Fraud proofs, Decentralization, Sequencer, Proof Systems, Ethereum Future, Web3 Scaling, Cryptocurrency, Blockchain, Crypto exchange, Digital assets, Decentralization, Crypto regulation, Crypto investing, Web3, Metaverse, NFTs, DeFi, Cryptocurrency adoption, Future of money, Financial freedom