In our second interview from Te Kāhui Whaihanga New Zealand Institute of Architects In:Situ 2024 conference, we talk with Sandra Barclay and JeanPierre Crousse about their talk, how they collaborate as 'double partners' in life and work, and their love of creative constraints. They established Barclay & Crousse Architecture in Paris in 1994 and Lima, Peru, in 2006. We are grateful to the NZIA for their support in organising these interviews. Barclay & Crousse: https://www.barclaycrousse.com/ NZIA's Q&A with Sandra Barclay: https://www.nzia.co.nz/in-situ/q-a-barclay-crousse/ Theme Music: The Cosmic Wheels