Playwright, satirist, and political commentator CJ Hopkins, creator of the website Consent Factory, joins me for a conversation on totalitarianism, safety, and the ideology of control. We go a little beyond his political writings on these topics to talk about the inner life of a dissident. Another major topic is the phenomenon of the cult, as a lens through which to understand our historical moment. CJ Hopkins' writings can be found on Substack https://cjhopkins.substack.com/ and the Consent Factory https://consentfactory.org/.