Sayer Ji is a prominent holistic health researcher and the founder of one of the largest alternative health websites, greenmedinfo.com. We talk first and foremost about the coronavirus and the multiple fear narratives surrounding it, then venture into some other controversial topics: body ecology and the "virome," vaccines, internet censorship, science and its limitations, biological transmutation of elements, water bubble cavitation, and my favorite topic of late, ideological polarization and peace. Link to his new book, Regenerate: Unlocking Your Body's Radical Resilience through the New Biology:  https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/599585/regenerate-by-sayer-ji/  Other resource site: https://regenerateproject.com/