There is increasing recognition of the benefits of integrated agroecological farming systems but where to start? Farmers David Rose & George Young share their experiences of moving towards an agroecological approach. They talk about joint enterprises, integrating livestock & a diversity of crops into the rotation, establishing an agroforestry system, & practicalities & rewards of getting out of the commodity trap. This recording was hosted by Agricology (www.agricology.co.uk) as an open online discussion.