How have Chinese attempts to shape the public opinion in Europe evolved? How does it differ from Russian disinformation? And how does the EU try to counter it? In this episode of the MERICS China Podcast, Johannes Heller-John talks to Ivana Karásková and Grzegorz Stec. Ivana is a European China Policy Fellow at MERICS and the founder of projects MapInfluenCE and China Observers in Central and Eastern Europe (CHOICE) at Association for International Affairs (AMO) in Prague. She is also a Special Advisor to Vice-President of the European Commission Věra Jourová, for the preparation of the Defense of Democracy package. Grzegorz Stec is Analyst in the Brussels Bureau of MERICS. Together with Katja Drinhausen and Mareike Ohlberg, they are the authors of the recent MERICS Report “Image control: How China struggles for discourse power”. This podcast episode, as well as the above-mentioned study, are part of a research project funded by the German Foreign Office. Further reading mentioned in the episode: Foreign Electoral Interference Affecting EU Democratic Processes by Ivana Karásková, Una Aleksandra Bērziņa-Čerenkova, and Kara Němečková of the Association for International Affairs (AMO)