Painter Joyce Owens grew up in a culturally diverse neighborhood; her strong African American roots were infused with Jewish culture. Responding to the secular theme of Marc Chagall's *The Circus Rider,* Owens discusses how her work relates to what she describes as the sophistication of Chagall's deceptively simple work. This podcast is brought to you by the Ancient Art Podcast. Explore more at ancientartpodcast.org.